23. Economies need a high level of government interference (Proposed: Thor) — discussed on 10 August 2013

The most eco­nom­i­cal­ly suc­cess­ful soci­eties have always depend­ed upon a high lev­el of gov­ern­ment col­lu­sion with com­merce and indus­try, if not con­trol. This argu­ment is a way of say­ing that the “invis­i­ble hand” of the mar­ket is not enough to main­tain an effi­cient mar­ket, at least beyond vil­lage lev­el. There has to be an inde­pen­dent umpire, or forced con­trol (dic­ta­tor, mafia … )

3 thoughts on “23. Economies need a high level of government interference (Proposed: Thor) — discussed on 10 August 2013

  1. thormay@yahoo.com Post author

    A per­fect case study of a failed inter­face between gov­ern­ment and indus­try has been the Queens­land Health Department’s IT fias­co with com­put­er­ized pay­roll sys­tems. The bot­tom line is that com­pe­tence is more impor­tant than the mytholo­gies of “senior man­age­ment” and HR icons. A good account of this par­tic­u­lar cir­cus is at http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/government-it/top-5-lessons-from-the-queensland-health-payroll-saga-20130809-hv1d5.html . The com­ments sec­tion is also infor­ma­tive.

  2. Thor May Post author

    Extra Read­ing (infor­mal, not strict­ly aca­d­e­mic. Note that the inclu­sion of the­se read­ings in no way implies that I agree or dis­agree with their argu­ments. The many Wikipedia links offer mixed val­ue, but they form a good start­ing point for entry into par­tic­u­lar con­cepts).

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    Wikipedia (2013) Cor­po­ratist econ­o­my. online @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

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